Debate 4: Is humane farming good for animals?

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DEBATE: "Humane farming is good for animals, on the whole" (agree or disagree)-- clarification

1. This is not just saying humane farming is better than factory farming
2.  It's saying humane farming is positively good for animals--as Zangwill says
3. We're doing animals a favor by creating-then-killing-and-eating them on humane farms

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Humane farming is good for animals (AGREE): ideas, allies

1. Zangwill's existence argument-- slides
• being created is good for sheep, outweighs being killed
• sheep don't have rights, so it's against their interests to be killed but not a rights violation
2. "no rights" ally: Carruthers
3. non-animalist concern: bible, Aristotle
4. animals have only a weak interest in continuing to live: McMahan

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Humane farming is good for animals (DISAGREE/DOUBT): ideas, allies

1. Animals do have rights -- Regan
2. Livestock killed very young, when they have a stronger TRICL (McMahan)
3. Even humane farming involves some pain and distress
4. Humane farming takes a lot of land, encroaches on wild animal habitats, resulting in fewer wild animals; so, good for sheep, bad for wolves and lions!

• What would Zangwill say?  p. 5-6: it's good to replace wild animals with livestock because wild animals have more miserable lives.
• Vegan world: would require less agriculture land and leave more wilderness, more wild animals (see Singer p. 184)